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31. Kate Delaney on Embracing Your Wow

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

If you’d interviewed over 16,000 people, you’d learn something, too.

Leadership lessons from world-renowned athletes, like what it really means to be tenacious. And how to leverage mentors and not rest on your laurels.

We got to interview a professional interviewer, Kate Delaney, sports radio broadcaster, speaker, and author of most recently Deal Your Own Destiny. She shared with us the challenges she overcame in sports radio and how to find (and embrace) your wow.

“It took 500 rejections for me to get my first show as a sports talk show host,” Kate said.

This is the leader cast podcast, helping you be a leader worth following. Hi, there and welcome to another episode of the leader cast podcast. I'm Bart and today I get to interview someone who interviews people for a living. Pressure right. Well, honestly, I'm very excited to welcome our guests on this episode of the leader cast podcast, Kate Delaney. Kate as an award winning national broadcast personality who has interviewed more than Sixteenzero people and twenty years and radio and television. The Kate Delaney show is a syndicated sports talk radio show sent out through Westwood One and CBS radio, and her show America tonight broadcast every Monday through Friday evening, reaching one point nine million listeners. Kate has a new Forbes published book called Deal Your Own Destiny, increase your odds when big and become extraordinary. It's filled with valuable lessons, including how to find the right balance between work in life and how to drive yourself forward on your path to pursue your career passion. Now Kate will be speaking with us on the leader cast woman stage on Friday October eighteen here in Atlanta and at plenty of host sites around the world. So we're really excited to bring her on this episode of the leader cast podcast to kind of set the scene as she comes to Atlanta for the October event. Now in this episode, Kate and I discuss why she's excited to speak on the leader cast women stage, what she has learned from the athletes and leaders she has interviewed, how she blazed her own path as a woman in the sports radio field and the similarities between the entrepreneurial mindset and the athlete mindset. So, like I said, Kate will be with us in October for leader cast women. So it seems only fitting that I asked you to listen to this ad for leader cast women. So sit tight and after this ad you can listen to the conversation between me and Kate Delaney. Leader cast women is an inspirational one day leadership event featuring renowned female leaders. Male and female audience members alike leave leader cast women with the tools they need to be leaders worth following. Attend the event live in Atlanta or at a host site near you. To learn more, visit women DOT leader castcom. Thank you for being here. For happy to be here. Definitely. There's so much talk about and then thrilled that ast me. Well, you have, I mean you broadcast from just about everywhere, from, you know, Ecuador to Maui and anywhere around the world, but you'll be here with us in Atlanta in October for leader cast one in so to set the stage for this podcast. I just want to know what's exciting you about this opportunity to speak to all these wonderful women who will be in attendance...

...in October. I think it's the women that you've assembled. I'm thrilled, as I said, I'm thrilled to be here today, but I'm thrilled to be with them on the stage in Atlanta because I love the Sea of what it takes to get to wherever it is that you've gotten to and want to to take have the courage to get there in the first place, in other words, all the obstacles that you go through and around and everything else for between, and I think it's very empowering to hear, especially a group of people with different experiences, tell you their roads throw out what I call some medi ways that you can walk away from that day and apply some of what you've heard to your life. That perhaps helps you go over whatever that next obstacle or challenge is that get you to where you're going in your career and hopefully in your life too, because I think it's a balance. It's your life and it's your career mixed into one. We always keep hearing that work life balance and part of what's going on in your in your life, affects what happens, obviously in your career and along that path that you take. And again that the women that are going to be on the stage all have different paths and are all at different places. So I think it's a unique opportunity for me to be able to speak with them and to be able to speak rather with this crowd for leader cast women and on a subject that I'm very, very passionate about and what it really takes that courage take the leap and not be afraid. Well, today and throughout the month of August, leader cast is talking about our monthly theme of challenge, which, honestly, I think is a great word to summarize your career. You've obviously rose to the challenge, you've met challenges, you face challenges, but I kind of want to bring this to the current day. The media industry is I mean it seems like it changes every minute, but you have been able to keep a finger on the pulse of this evolving industry and meet the challenge of, you know, staying current. So how have you been able to, on a daily basis, meet those challenges to continue to forge your path in your career? I think it's being aware of what's going on in the world. So knowledge is power and I learned the power of education when I was like cared through my mother and I'm always about learning and absorbing and looking at the landscape and and watching what's out there and processing that is staying relevant. You have to stay relevant. You have to stay on top of whatever the trends are and also what what your trailblazing, what you think is relevant and in useful and what you put out there as content, especially in my role as the media so it's incredibly important to be very, very aware of everything around...

...you, at the surroundings and then the biases and how you process them and how other people process them, so that you not only stay relevant but to also stay relatable to a wide swath of people. What are those ways that you stay current? You those ways that you find the trends that are out there, not just, you know, from a news topic, but from a media industry standard. You know what I honestly part of it is the amount of people that have had influences on my life. I guess it's the best way to say that. So people who have risen incorporations different see Yeo's, I know that are on top of business trends, certainly some of the poll the same athletes and current athletes that I know that are in the trenches of different sports, both women, and then people who are running incredible startups that keep bursting through different layers and, you know, keeping in touch with them and seeing what's happening in their world and then processing that and getting it out there first and fast and and letting people, like I said before, absorb that and wide swaths of different types of people. So it's me developing through my contacts, what I see is the landscape and doing those future trends and and then keeping on top of people who I think are trend setters, people who I think are influencers, and there's so many of those people around us and there's so many different sources we have today to go to, even though I'm in the media, different people I know in the media and other people I know in, like they said, in other industries who are breaking different kinds of ceilings, whether it's women or ment. Well, obviously you have been able to interview and talk with and cover so many people throughout your career, but how of you been able to forge your own path and an industry that's really not saturated very much with women? I mean it's weird to he that, especially in sports, you go on TV and seeing a woman covering, you know, the La Lakers or the Atlanta braves. Here in Atlanta, it's almost like we expect it. You know, we have so many females in sports television, but when you turn onto the radio you're not hearing female voices. What's been your secret to making your path, and you know the Sports Radio Industry as a woman? Part of it is the tenacity that I just never give up and I think that I have something to offer to the listeners in the name of the game. Is Part that you have to get ratings, you have to get different stations, you have to with your syndicated like I'm in syndication. So if if people don't like me, then they're not going to buy the products, you're not going to listen to what I'm saying. So it goes back to all the things I said previously. Being relevant on top of things being interesting, that passion coming through knowing and being aware of everything that's happening. You almost have to be like an encyclopedia with the personality okay, and the ferstility part is very, very big,...

...because if it's not entertaining then people aren't going to listen and and again. So much of that also goes to having the tenacity to stick in there and to be able to do it. It took five hundred rejections for me to get my first show as a sports talk show host. I was doing television and lots of different men, because it was really very male saturated, and it still is today. A lot of different men try to help me, but they were at the gatekeepers. It was convincing the gatekeepers that a woman could be relevant, could be funny, to be engaging and could entertain and keep the listeners intention well. Speaking of, you know, entertaining and fascinating, who's the most interesting person that you've interviewed throughout your career? Boy, that that list is very, very food. Who Do you have a giant pot of coffee, everybody listening, or whatever their favorite beverages, of long glass of iced tea or whatever. It might be the most interesting and fascinating and all of that. I mean, again, the list is long, but if I want so much the different people from different from different industries, even if I'm saying sports, Gosh, I boy think of any of the quarterbacks of interviewed all the quarterbacks from today and tactically, everyone from the past that I can think of. I think of female athletes. You know, you name them. Serena Williams was fascinating because she has that tenacity and she has that in eight sense of herself, of knowing. She gets on the court, she puts it all out there and then she moves on to the next and that's how she's been able to peak down match points and opponents. That's how she's been able to lose in close matches, even in finals, and still come back and, you know, deep into her s and after having the babies, because she has that mindset, and mindset is the thing, I think, that separates a lot of the people who rise to the top. I found that in an interview with Steve Forbes. Yes, he had his father, Malcolm and all of what the Forbes UN fortune offered him, but he made it even bigger with what he did with the media side of things and and talking to him was fascinating. Martina and a Brad Talova, how she fled her country and people forget back then, and then how she played deep into her s and was winning mixed doubles and, of course one so many singles trophies, and what kind of barriers that, you know, she went through. The women soccer players, from Alex Morgan to some of the others on the field and what their mind set is and and how they prepare aired and just the funny things that that they do to get themselves ready to put themselves in the position where they can win championships. Well, and I love that because obviously we're talking about being courageous for leader casts women and I don't know if you can call athletes courageous because I almost feel like it's a dumb, blind like passion to just be great. Coming from...

...an athlete myself, it's you know, I don't ever consider it being courageous. It's just now I want to win. But I think in our I don't want to say a normal, regular person's life, but in a normal business environment, you still need that passion, that drive to win. What have you learned from covering these athletes about they're just insatiable desire to be better every day, and how can we apply them in our you know, normal person life? Well, in your normal person life, I love that too, by the way. How that your normal person life? One of the things that I've learned from every single athlete, anyone connected to sports that I've ever that I've been to view, male or female, is they had the word that I used about myself. They had that tenacity. They weren't going to give up, even if they got knocked down. They were to keep meeting those challenges. So how do they do that? How do they get up every day and believe in themselves? They feed themselves with some thing that is positive, whether it's a coach, a life coach, etc. And they don't allow that negativity to creep in things that people are writing or saying about them, especially if they're at a bigger level, but even if there are at a even if they're at a younger level or trying to break through and get from amateur to pro or whatever it is. It's so psychological. They have to have that winning mindsets. They really, really work on their mind and and their bodies and they have goals and they what you can apply to your life is having those goals and some of them or are short term goals. We think of big, giant goals, which I think are important to it's I think it's important to dream big. I dream big, I don't dream small, but I, you know, settled saying you have to eat an elephant one bit at a time. If you're going to do that, you have to have weekly goals, monthly goals, and you look at them and almost every athlete that I ever interviewed they had them down somewhere, had them on a piece of paper, they had them in their eye phone, they had them somewherehere. They would look at them every single day and they would constantly challenge themselves to go further, faster, bigger, better, whatever it took, and that was key. It is critical to see where that line was and keep moving the line to get better and better and better. They didn't just go out their practice go back home, that's itid no, no, they went much, much further than that and they measured everything and then they celebrated those wins and then they went back to next day. It's like Tiger Woods. They talk to him a long, long time ago and and he was winning lots from out of tournament and there were so much publicity. Would luck you even get the interview and the thing that was so fascinating about him, and I see this with other athletes, is even when they win, he's right out there the next day. Yeah, you know, smashing hundreds of all hundreds of drives, and it's the same thing with all of them across the board. They never rest on their laurels. They don't get too complacent and I think sometimes for people listening, and we all...

...know that it's easy to get complacent if he's to say, well, are hey, I achieve that goals and now I'm just going to take a breath. It's good to take a breath, but I'm going to keep taking a breath until all of a sudden, you know, I'm out of breath. You have to right away keep on moving that wheel. Well, talking about pushing forward, I think there's this really I don't know if it's the exactly a positive that we always say you have to push past fear, because it's human nature to feel fear. I think fear is something that we, you know, we experience every day as a natural feeling to be scared of something. Is it always something that we have to push past? Is Fear something we always have to push past, or is it something that it says hey, you know, maybe this is something that you need to spend more time on evaluating. I know maybe from your career it's you can't always just say well, I'm going to do it. You know, there does need to be some level of a balance between pushing forward full steam and being cautious. So maybe from your career, your what can you tell us about taking time to evaluate your decisions instead of just being reckless maybe in your decisionmaking? I love that you brought this up. I think it's critical that you do that. So I am I'm like the bull that wants to keep going forward. To what I saw with my success was that I did have to evaluate, that I did have to sometimes be a little bit more cautious in what opportunities that I was getting and how to assess them and to get really frankly, more input from people just to just to bounce off of ventures I thought. I think mentors are critical. Advocates are critical because they can also rally around you when you're thinking and you're doubting your abilities. It's those raving fans, that I talk about this in my speeches, that are so critical. And if you can form a master mind, if you find a master mind that you can get involved with or create where you can say look, look, here's the opportunity that are coming a way. I am a little story about this. Or should I dive in here? What are your experiences and to see what kind of input you can get from other people? Ultimately, it's absolutely a hundred percent your decision and it shouldn't be someone else's, but it's always good, when you evaluate, to look at the landscape and go to people that you respect who can give you their perspective, because it is very hard to operate in the silo and it's so much better to have people around you that you can trust, me, you can talk to you about whatever it is that you're looking at. And and now also examine that fear and sometimes that fears right and maybe some opportunity looks really, really good, but you need to pass on it, and it's from the surface it doesn't look like you would do that. And if you just dive into everything a hundred percent and don't ever take that step backwards and you then you may make some false moves that you didn't have to make. Well, and I'm curious because...

...you just came out with a new book called dear deal your own destiny and crease your odds when big and become extraordinary. I think that this speech to not a little bit of you can't just lay the cards. You dealt become your own dealers. So when it comes to evaluating, how do we take account of what we have to offer, what we need to find, and how do we make our own path in some occasions? Well, I think three things, and I talked about this in the book, and this is from, you know, what we've been talking about, what I've learned from other people that Great Avenue that I've had the privilege to be on, where I've interviewed over, really is over sixteenzero people now, all kinds of influencers, you know, all over the map, certainly in sports and business, in an all walks of life, and the one. The other commonalities that I found, not just the one who is really three things that you have to go you have to go on in. At some point you go on in, and that being you, you go a hundred percent, and I hate that term, a hundred percent, because what is a hundred percent? But really you're just, you're just once you make the decision, that's it. You're doing everything you can to make whatever it is work and and happen, but it doesn't happen overnight and so many of us are impatient, and I would be the first person to say I'm that person. It took me a long time to realize the one dream I had, and other people, that well meaning, wanted me to give up. They said, you know, you're smart, you could do this, you could do that, you already have interest in this area. Why are you doing this? So patients pays? It's so critical and in whatever it is that you're doing, particularly if you're applying this in business situations and then stacking the debt. I mentioned that brutally before. Getting those mentors, having advocates around you to keep you primed and pumped up, and people, when you're having it a tough time, that you can go to that make you realize, yeah, you absolutely have it, you, you, you, you're still you, and they support you no matter what because they're your advocates. And then finding people that you can go to who have different perspectives, that can look at whatever it is that you're doing and they can give you some sound advice and you can take pieces of that and apply it if it works for you. But those three things are just definitely critical. You have to go all in, you really do, once you make any kind of a decision. Patients absolutely pays and it's hard and you got to have those advocates and mentors and master minds and whatnot. So you got to stack the deck in your favor if you wants two cards to be flipped in your direction. Well, it kind of building off of that. Early in your career and I think in all of our careers we find ourselves not quite being too confident in ourselves. What advice did you receive or encouragement did you receive early in your career to push you forward to reach the point you're at today? Yeah, you know, confidence is they say confidence is king, but I think confidence is king and Queen confidences is so important. And the way that or the way that I built...

...my confidence or people kept that confidence up, is that I had people but tried to help me along the way. And I had one mentor and he used to be the he used to be the vice president of the Cincinnati reggs. Name is Roger Blameyer and he had just an incredible background and he took an interest in me. He heard what I was doing on the air when I was just doing updates and approached me and he really encouraged me, listen to me kept my confidence high and that help and along the way it was kind of that same thing, whether it was through people like a Roger or myself. The thing that I would do is I found that I would just this touch for me to do, because it was hard for me to quiet my mind, but I learned to meditate, so even if it was ten minutes to day, I could just focus on something positive and I would clear my brain and I still do that today. And then I read books. I read a lot of books. I'm a voracious reader. So I would look at business books, I would look at biography and that kept my confident time because I would see what other people had to overcome to get where they were and there was almost no buddy, no matter what leg up they had or what misfortunes they had in the beginning of their lives. There was there was nobody that I came across that didn't have confidence in what they were doing and themselves to get to where they were. So I knew it was important to exercise that muscle and I did and I really built my confidence. But you obviously have created your own path. You clearly went on the path of working for other people, but now that you're, you know, running your own show. It's very entrepreneurial and I know we have a lot of entrepreneurs who listened to this podcast. So I'd like to pick your brain a little bit about some advice you would give them as they start to go out on their own or start looking for their own show to run, so to speak. Yeah, you know, I would say one thing that you want to do is you have to have a business plan. So whatever it is that you're doing, as you're moving along, make sure you have a business plan in place. I mean if some of this is elementary, but you forget when you're peddling so fast and you're the boss, maybe in the fall from their Solo Prenour when you start. So yeah, you want to hide. Think you want to hire people, whether it's people, depending on what how you are financially. Maybe you don't hire ton of employees and go so far on the ledge because you know you're going to make money. But don't. Don't do that. You know be wise with but certainly there are other their avenues. There's vias, etc. Or part time or whatever it takes. But get a business plan, have an idea of what your vision is and make sure you look at that vision every day and how are you getting there? Goes back to the goal setting. Goal setting for business is, especially as an entrepreneur, is very, very important. Another mistake that entrepreneurs make,...

...and I was guilty of this in the beginning because you said it. I was used to working for other people and sure I understood you know, financially I was sound, but it was different in running a business and not just having one account or not just having two accounts, realizing, Oh yes, operating costs and makes this and then we have checking for the visits and it sounds so elementary and it may be sounding like that to anyone who listens to it. But you'd be so surprised at some of the most successful people I know. We're in the beginning of their entrepreneurial pursuit spots where they stumbled. So it's important to try to get some of that in place and then have that balance where you're chasing business, you're working on what you're what you're offerings are, and you're still saying relevant in current and watching the landscape and looking at competition. I don't think you focus on competition. Sometimes people do that too much. Because what is it that your unique? What your unique composition, I call it? What you're wow? Really know that. Well, go and network, but network in the white places. Don't don't saturate yourself with going to hundreds of hundreds of meetings that don't make any sense. Find the right places to go and circulate. You got to make sure you're out there circulating, because that's another mistake. Goes back to that Silos Syndrome where if he silo yourself too much, then you're not out there where people are hearing. Oh, who are you? What do you offer? And that's how you get business and and look to the people you know in your life and make sure this is critical too, that they all know what you're doing, especially if you've less corporate Americle or job, whatever job is that you're working let them know what you've started on. Craft a really good email and send it to the people in your world so they're aware. Oh okay, well, I might be able to help you here. I might usual as a consultant, you'd be supplies. That was an area that I let slip away and then I quickly somebody suggested to that to me going back to a mastermind, and that netted me some really, really good business, because I wasn't letting people in my own world really know what well I was doing. Yeah, I think that comes down to a little bit of kind of humility, but also fear. I think we're afraid to look too desperate to our, you know, our network. We want, you know, we want our friends and family to still love US and support us, but at the same time we don't want to feel like we have to reach out to them for every little thing. But you know, I think it's a perfect segue to being an athlete because, let's be honest, where would all of our athletes be without, as you said, those rabid fans supporting them and it's it's something that we do need. We knew we need to keep our network strong. There's a saying, you know the your network is your net worth. But as an entrepreneur, how do we better utilize our professional and our personal networks? You got to stay in touch with them. You have...

...to have people call them different things, but I'll use the words. That's needs for a long time. You have to have a pipeline and you have to have a system for letting people know that you're what you're doing, but more than what you're doing, because it's to what you said you want to let you want people to know what you're offering, what you're doing, but also want to stay in touch with them. Just find something that's residant to what they're doing. Offered them something. Don't always be trying to say, Hey, I'm, you know, dmy business for me. I mean that seems that seems pretty elementary to but you'd be surprised that that holds people back. They say, well, I don't want to send them you know, here's my list of services and here's what it costs. That's right, because it's about relationships, it's about connection, and you said it. Your network equals your net worth sometimes, but I would say a step further, relationships the big are it's so important because you develop this relationships, you get to know people a little bit better, they know you and they want to do business with people they like. So the more that you you are a person to the people that you're reaching out to and not just a service, whatever that services are product, is, the better. Now I want to go back to your time and your experience with interviewing athletes and coaches and whatnot of all different sports, because you said something earlier that I think athletes, coaches they get and you said you can't worry too much about competition. Now, obviously coaches come up with game plans to help beat you know, if you're a football coach, you know you're you're obviously we're studying the other team and you're trying to come up with a game plan to beat them. But at the end of the day you're still trying to highlight what you do best and make it work best against your opponent. So, from a business standpoint, what's the balance between keeping tabs on what our opponents are doing but also making sure that what we're doing is true to who we are and that we do at the best we possibly can. What's that balance and how does that look like from a business perspective? Yeah, that's just a great question, because that's so Kay. It's that balance of not paying to much attention to what everybody else, they're out there, is doing, because then you're you're spinning your wheels, you're also losing your focus and you might be diving too deeply into what they're doing. It's good to know, but what makes you unique? Focus on what you're doing, focus on your time being lasered into what it is that you're offering again, whether it's product, whether it's a service, and keeping relevant and what can you do that's new? What can you reverse engineer? What makes you unique? That unique proposition is very key in a world will even apes up in the DNI stand and you're trying to capture people's attensions and you know you got to open that door. So open that door. You need to be focused on what makes you unique. And if you're constantly looking over your shoulder, it's like when you're golfing. If you're constantly can behind me, if you's behind me, are they on top of...

...me. What's going on for a person? Are Focusing on your back swing and trying to drive the ball, you know, down the fairway and answers no, because you're tightening your hand around the grip of the club and you're just, you know, it starts to slide in your hand and all of a sudden you've blown up your golf game. It's just like your business. If you look at any of the I've interviewed so many CEOS about this, and you look at so many successful companies that we have, we great examples. They're everywhere around us. I mean you could go old school and you can look at the Colo wars. You can look at what's happened in industries like Amazon. Jeff Basio is a great example. He focused on what he was doing. If you go back twenty five years or so, he's sitting at a death somewhere coming up with this grand scheme for Amazon, and I interviewed him one time and he did have a bigger master plan. Did he know it was going to be what it is today? No, not necessarily, but it was books, if you remember, and then look what Amazon became and look how they focused on the landscape. People wanted it bigger and faster and all of that. So that's what Amazon started to offer with time and every industry that they're getting involved with, and he just exploded that company by keeping on top of the trends, keeping relevant and not just looking at what other people were doing in the book industry and what they were offering. He went beyond that. It's so important to look beyond the end of your nose and your balance sheet. Can Look at what's out there, but not overly focus on the competition, because you want to be unique and you might create something completely different. If you're too focused on what everybody else who's doing and you're adding up those numbers constantly, then you take the eye. I think, to take the eye off the brass ring. It's like we're all on this carousel and you're going around and now you don't you're getting closer to the brass ring, but you're sliding in the wrong direction. If you're using focus on what you do the best. Well, I enjoy those tips because I think you're right on that. We have to focus thought we do best, because if we don't, then we're not going to be good at anything. But I want to wrap up here. Just two more questions, if you will. What is the most gratifying part of your day in your professional career? Wow, the most credifying part of my day. The most gratifying part is because I measure. I have the little goals, so I have weekly and monthly goal and to me when I have a balance in the day. So where I've done you know where, because I'm in the media. And then I have people that, whether it's in you known or SEMBC or whoever does it, comes to me. I also get asked for my opinion and do interview. So if I have a day where I've done an media interview and I prep for a show and I've done a speech, and then I look ahead and I see that there's business books and there's more speaking and...

...exciting opportunities and I'm getting closer to that in the pipelines and I can because it's about it. For me, it's about keeping the focus, but also keeping the balance too as well. And in keeping that balance, I what I do is I go through and I have a couple of things that I'm trying to do every day and then by the end of the week, I call it a friend of mine taught me this. It's a new thing that I started doing this year and it's five by ten, and the idea it is because I get up early. I'm trying to at least accomplish those five reaches, these initial reaches, by ten o'clock in the morning and the and easily I've exceeded that, and so now I feel good and now I'm working on other limiting those distractions. So if I've limited distractions and I've turned the page on what the goals are for the day, whether it's chasing new business, keeping a reeling in business I have or one of those media opportunities I'm talking about, then it feels really, really good to me. And also not getting enough sleep and getting enough exercise. I like to bike and I like to swim and and golf when I can, but I have long days sometimes. I'm sure like everybody else listening and you, I think it's important to take those mental break so you're fresh and creative. Well, I appreciate all this wisdom you've provided us so far on the podcast and my last question, hopefully to sum it all up, is what does being a leader worth following look like to you? You've obviously encountered many leaders, both sports, business and political. But what does the leader worth following look like to catline? Good leader to me is somebody who lets people fly, let's people do what they do best and they are not hovering and micromanaging you and they're celebrating with you all those wins that you have a long way and there's there to help when you need help, when you stumble, when something doesn't go as planned. And their systems they can point to, there's people they can point to, but they're not. You know, there was, I think it used to be that if a lead or sometimes got too far into the trenches. So Day in and day out they weren't looking at the big view. Necessarily they were. They were there every single day, constantly with their finger in the polstal was happening. I'm not saying they shouldn't know what's happening, but when, when the when somebody's breathing down your back, I don't think you do your best work. So it's that gentle nudge in the right direction with a healthy dose of delegation and trust. And if a leader shows you that they trust and they have confidence in your abilities, boy and then they encourage you just the right amount. It's not even only the monetary thing, it's the PAT on the back, it's the acknowledgement. I think that really...

...makes people soar to all kinds of crazy heights. Well, again, thank you so much for all this incredible wisdom and lessons from your career and the careers of other people. It's fascinated to talk to someone like you who has been able to be around such great high performers. So thank you very much for just sharing all that knowledge with us. Thanks so much for having me now. The last question I do have is, I mean you have so much content out there in so many ways we can hear you and hear from you. Where the best places that we can get your sports radio content or any leadership content that you have to offer? Where can we find that? You can only find me on Linkin, of course, like everybody else, but you can find me a take Delaney radio and you can find me at Kate Delaney speakercom and there's all kinds of content there and you know we're I've got on air stuff where it's various interviews I've done, etc. Or blogs and whatnot, and of course my books on Amazon and in bookstores all over the place, and that has that is just filled with a lot of what we talked about how you can apply it to your life. Well. Thank you, Kate, and thank you all for listening to this episode of the leader cast podcast. You can find all episodes of the leader cast podcast on Itunes, Google play, stitcher and, of course, on leader Castcom. Don't forget to interact with us on all of your favorite social media channels using the Hashtag theater cast podcast. Again, thank you for listening, and now go be a leader worth following. Thanks for tuning in to the leader cast podcast. To ensure that you never miss an episode, subscribe to the show in your favorite podcast player.

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