The Leadercast Podcast
The Leadercast Podcast

Episode · 2 years ago

42. Meghan Duggan on The Mindset of a Winner


The journey to a gold medal starts with the right mindset.


I’m so excited to bring onto the Leadercast podcast a gold medal winner in women's ice hockey at the 2018 Winter Olympics — Meghan Duggan. As captain of the team, Duggan has a valuable perspective on leadership and the joy of being a team member.


What we talked about:

  • The struggle to victory and how heartbreak helped the team return stronger than ever
  • Journaling for success
  • The importance of mentorship
  • What the best part of being on a team is


Check out the full podcast with Meghan Duggan by clicking here.

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This is the leader cast podcast, helping you be a leader worth following. Hey, have you want to spart again here on the leader cast podcast, and I have something really important to say. Megan Duggan is an Olympic champion. Now, though, that something she had envisioned at the start of her hockey career. She was denied that dream twice in her life before finally capturing the gold medal as a captain of the USA Women's hockey team at the two thousand and eighteen winter Olympics and py on chain. Now, you may not be like me and probably weren't skipping out on class to watch these games during the two thousand and ten, twenty fourteen and two thousand and eighteen Olympics. But you know, call me a bad student, but the story goes that in two thousand and ten, Megan and Team USA reached the gold medal final the Olympics in Vancouver. Now they've faced a very strong team Canada, playing on their home ice, Soda Speak, and they've unfortunately lost to team Canada there in Vancouver. For years later, and so to Russia, the two teams met again and the gold medal final, the US took a to nothing lead and the third period and almost even took a one lead with about a minute. I have to go, but unfortunately team to Canada tied it in the final seconds and then us lost to Canada and extra time. This was heartbreaking for the team in two thousand and fourteen, but you'll hear in this endterview that an athlete only reaches the top because of the support system they have, and that goes well beyond their teammates and coaches. Megan and I talked about the shift that team USA made from the two thousand and fourteen to the two thousand and eighteen games and the training they did in between. Now this was team training, individual training, not just on the ice, but a lot of work off the eyes to try to prepare their bodies and their minds to capture Olympic gold. We also talked about how she uses a lot of these training methods today as she switches gears and prepares to give birth to a son who, by the way, might be born by the time this episode drops, so make sure to give Megan to follow on Instagram at m dug in ten. So, beyond just being an athlete, Megan and I talked about what it takes to succeed in life and on the ice, but also talk about some of the things that she's learned through mentoring, how to be a good mentor how to be mentored well, and a lot of other things that she's learned through her time as an athlete. So please take a listen to this ad for leader cast live and then cash the interview on the other side. Leader cast live is the largest one day leadership event in the world, joined tens of thousands of fellow leaders live in Atlanta. Were at a host site near you. Visit live don't leader Castcom to learn more. So...

I'm excited to bring onto the leader cast podcast a gold medal winner in women's eyes hockey at the two thousand and eighteen winner like the Games. Megan dug in, thank you for being here so much with us. Hey, thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to be on. So I mentioned you have a gold medal, but you also maybe have something else, a little bit more special coming up in your life. Would you like to share that update with everyone? Oh, yeah, sure, yeah, my wife and I are expecting the birth of our first son in about five or six weeks now. So yeah, I'm feeling pretty pregnant and excited about that and certainly looking forward to what that's going to bring into our lives. But certainly an exciting time in your life. What do you think the very first leadership lesson you'll learn from being a parent will be? Oh Gosh, I think one of the best like parenting things that I've seen as of lately is it's actually a picture of a mom holding her son and they're on a train and they're both reading and it says, you know, kids say something like kids do as they see, not as you tell them. And I think just to you know, just the thought of at you know, if you're on your phone, two, seven and that's all they're seeing, versus if you're reading and encourages them to read things like that. So I think just be the role model that you want your kids to grow into. Well, I hope that you are able to give your new son a fantastic wealth of just wonderful examples. I'm sure that you have plenty of things that you can show them, including maybe you know how to shoot a hockey puck. Maybe that might be something he'll learn in the future. One of the first questions we've been getting is hold on till he's on his first pairs gase. We'll see. Well, you know, we talked about what you can show by example. I think you have a little bit of clout to be able to show someone how to do something right, especially on the ice. You are a seven time world champion, two times silver medalists at the Olympics, then finally breaking through with the gold in two thousand and eighteen. I think my very first question, as someone who has watched all three of those matchic are those gold medal games that we talked about. I've watched all of them and, knowing the story behind it, I really have to ask you know, you lost to Canada and the Team USA had lost to Canada and the gold medal game and, like every Olympics since the ninety eight games, when the first time that the women's ice hockey tournament was played, finally overcoming that, you know, twenty years later and for you personally, your third Olympic try at it, what was the emotion immediately going through your head? Was it about finally we did it, or was it just the pure joy of winning the gold medal? I would definitely say you know, a combination of both, I think. Having that that historical background and, you know, the gold medal of aating us for so long, chasing out it for so long. For for those of us that have been on the team through, you know, a couple Olympic cycles prior to that and come up short, there was definitely a feeling of, you know, we finally did it, but there was also, you know, just pure joy celebration with our families and our friends and, you know, not thinking so much about the past but just... in that moment. So it was certainly a combination, I think, what our team, how we were able to transform and what we were able to do in between, you know, the heartbreaking loss in two thousand and fourteen and Sochi and two thousand and eighteen when we, you know, stood on the top of the podium. It will forever impress me, and just in regards to how I watched my teammates work and and Transform, you know, their kind of goals and dreams and all of us bring our our mission together in order to achieve it. And so it was. It was pretty it was accumulation of all of those emotions and all of those things that we had been through together for so long, you know, into one yes, especially for you as the captain of this team and having gone through a couple of heartbreaks before that, what was your message to the team before that gold metal game and then kind of like during the entire tournament, of what it Knitt to players like yourself and some others who have been there for quite a few of those heartbreaks? Yeah, I mean to be honest, we had done so much work and we had prepared to the end degree that there was no major, you know speech that needed to be said or, you know, pump up moment. It really was just all of us continuing to remind each other of our true belief in our preparation and our training and everything that we had been through and how we had transformed as a program in order to get to that moment. I think there was a deep rooted feeling and all of us that two thousand and eighteen was our time and, you know, we had done everything we could to prepare for that moment and it was ours to go take. So I think just constant reminders of that, you know, was something that our leadership group really focused on and we just, you know, drew on that energy from each other, all across all twenty three women, and we were able to achieve what we wanted to. I mean there was I just remember kind of looking around the locker room, would say it was in between periods or at the overtime of that final game, and just knowing that it was ours and we just had to go out and, you know, finish the job. I'm curious, but the difference between two thousand and fourteen and two thousand and eighteen was? What do you think was the big difference that let Y'all finally get the thing that you would want for so long? I think a lot of it had to do with some of the mindset work that we did in but you know, from two thousand and fourteen to two thousand and eighteen, we certainly had to make, you know, some changes. I mean we really we started to realize you can't stay the same and expect a different result. And so what else were we going to do? And you know myself, how was I going to lead and how we're all of us going to prepare mentally and physically in those four years in order to achieve a different result that we hadn't been able to achieve yet? And so we transformed in a lot of different ways, mentally and physically, you know, in the way that we played and saw the game, and also the way that we you know, the type of athletes that we were, in our relationships and how we shared with each other. And we talked a lot about why we wanted to win gold so bad, you know, and and finding that deeper purpose, I think, really helped to lead us there. Yeah, so what all those mental that mental training did you do? I mean, I know, especially with the development of sports psychology...

...and a lot of different techniques that you have available to you as an Olympic athlete, but personally, when you are working on that stuff, you know, outside of the training camp or outside of the preparation for the Olympics, how did you personally take the steps to mentally prepare yourself for, mentally train yourself for? I mean it's a grind, first off the O but you know, just the overall preparation for your mental health and your mental stability during the top level tournament of the year. Yeah, I mean we as a team, we we had great resources. I mean we had an unbelievable sports psychologist that we've been working with for a while Dr Colin Hacker, who was a big part of our preparation, and then it was really just on all of us, as players and as leaders, to take it upon ourselves and make sure when we were away for the rent from the rank, we were, you know, tapping into those resources and really expanding and challenging ourselves mentally, whether that was through, you know, visualization and imagery or just expanding our knowledge in regards to mental toughness and challenging ourselves in those areas. So it was it took a took a while. I mean it was a four year process of really rediscovering ourselves and, you know, putting ourselves in a position where we felt prepared in that area. But, like I said, we had a lot of resources and it took a lot of hard work from all the players. So how do you still use that today? I mean, obviously you're not currently playing hockey right now, I assume, but you know, there's still things that you can take from that in your everyday life. What are some of those mental training aspects that you do every day still? Yeah, definitely, I mean I think I think imagery and visualization is a huge one for anyone and really what it came down to was just, you know, you hear it a lot, especially around the new year. You know, you have to manifest and you have to see and have a vision board of what you want to achieve in any industry, whether that for sports. You know, for us that was we wanted to win a gold medal. So imagining that put your putting yourself in that situation in your in your mind and your imagery. When visualizing, you know what it feels like in that moment or what it looks like, and you know there's there's a lot of research out there that really manifesting and putting on a vision board something that you want to achieve and obviously you have to work towards it as well, but you know, there's a large component of that that I think works. So that's something that I still do to this day. You know, I obviously have goals and dream set for myself within Sport and out of sport and in my personal life, and I think putting some mental energy towards those and really manifesting them to come true is is something that I do in my daily life. So I want to kind of go back to a little bit of a heartbreak that we were talking about earlier. I think the weird part of this failure at the Olympics was that US women's hockey had won the gold medal at the world championships like every year before failing to capture gold at the Olympics. So you you had this high of experience seeing great success and you know the year before, and then we just weren't able to capture it in the Olympic, which is weird because I think probably for you all, you see the world championship is at fantastically wonderful achievement for but for the normal person,...

...who probably only watches women's hockey every four years, we only see the Olympic. The only see the final, we only see the women's team when silver. We haven't really watched them when gold at the world championships. But for you all, you're going through it year by year and you're winning, but then you come up short against Canada, you know, two times at the Olympics in a row. For you personally, what was that? How did you handle the disappointment after having so much success in between those major tournaments? Yeah, it was tough. I mean it felt like Canada just had our number a little bit at the Olympics for some reason for a few years in a row, and you mentioned we had so much success of the world championships, which I mean in a non Olympic year. That's our Stanley Cup, that's our our everything, our super bowl, and to have the success that we had at those world championships is a huge part of our team's journey and certainly of of my life and something that we're really proud of. But I think when you're at the Olympics maybe there's distractions, it's a little bit of a bigger stage and for whatever reason where our mentality was or, you know, of flip of the puck one way or the other, and we weren't able to achieve gold at the Olympics. And it was it was certainly it was a tough road. I mean the heartbreaking loss in Sochi was, I think just the way that the game unraveled made it so much more difficult to swallow, and then certainly being a part of that team in Vancouver that came up short of our ult to mcgoal as well, just kind of felt like, you know, insult injury and in two thousand and fourteen when when we came up short too so, but I think when I look back on that time, you know it was such a defining moment for our program and for so many of us that had been around for so long, and you know, we needed to experience those things in order to have the success that we did in two thousand and eighteen, and I truly believe that what I it still hurts to think about that game in two thousand and fourteen and what you know, I I wouldn't want to experience that again, but who are any of us in life if we don't grow from the challenges we experience? So being able to learn from that and really grow as a person, as a leader and as a program I think was really important for us. I remember watching that game in two thousand and fourteen, obviously with on a streaming service at work because it was early morning, but my boss and I were watching it our two separate offices and some point I could hear her cheering and when I would cheer, and then obviously some grounds of frustration, but it was it's funny because then I remember two thousand and eighteen and similarly watching it, but with jubilation but also with the severe lack of sleep, because it was very entertaining to watch you all finally capture that. And obviously the golf that'll I mean that game between Canada the United States. For those of you who haven't watched it out there, not only was it I mean Canada the United States, with the Titans of women's hockey, so this is something that you all have gone back and forth battling time and time again, but not only was it just two great teams, it was a great game that goes to overtime and finally shoot out, when I want to know, as a player, because I mean I know from my playing experiences you're not thinking about like the grand scheme of things when you're just trying to win a penalty shoot out like that. But like you're the captain of this team, what were...

...your mess what was your message to the to that your teammates right before going to that shootout, when, again, I just kind of remember us being in the locker room and all looking around at each other and having this true belief that we did whatever it took and and just having this feeling that we were going to win. There was no doubt in my mind that we were going to win, and I think we all felt that and we all just, you know, whether we express that or said that to each other, we kind of just brought it in the locker room and, you know, didn't need anything crazy. We didn't have to think about why we were in that position or for the past, you know, worrying about all, my Gosh, is is going to happen again. We just had a belief in our training and we continue to talk about that. You know, took pride in our preparation to get to that point and I think that that type of confidence around the room real. Let us to the success that we had. Well, so, since two thousand and eighteen you've been busy and aspects of your life that aren't necessarily on the rink. What has been the transition between going to be, you know, you are, top level athlete, still are, but now you're focused on obviously building a family and trying to do things outside of just being a hockey player. So how is your transition focus? How is your mind change during this transition from being, you know, top level athlete to also trying to expand and give back and find new avenues to express yourself? Yeah, yeah, it's been great. I mean obviously I've actually through my pregnancy. I felt felt great and felt fortunate enough to continue training, obviously with some modifications, but so that's been a plus and you know, it's where I love to be, is in the gym. So so that's been great. And then I think you know, what I've learned about my kind of myself and my relationships through sport and through being an athlete and being in a leadership position I think will really help me in this next phase of my life, you know, in regards to parenting and and everything that comes with it. So it's it's been a great time for me. Obviously, you know, being pregnant, I missed being on the ice right now, but super excited for the opportunity to be pregnant and and start our family and certainly excited about, you know, the next six weeks plus here in the next little bit. Well, I mean I'm sure it's going to be a fantastic time, especially the of those first week's when it's really just your intimate family being able to spend time with each other. That'll be fantastic for you all. The experience absolutely yeah, yeah, it'll be probably a lot less sleep than I'm used to, but trying to prepare myself for that now and, you know, get a little extra, I think, to bank. But yeah, so exciting for us and we're really looking forward to it. Well. So something I actually want to ask you about kind of pointedly your one. Your instagram account is really fun to follow, but you had posted, I think a couple days ago, maybe a couple weeks ago, about journaling. Yeah, and I want to ask you. You talked about vision and vision casting and the importance of visualizing yourself at that peek and seeing yourself winning that gold medal. You know, whatever it is, it's your goal, is visualizing yourself in that goal. But how does journaling... you on a day to day basis kind of keep track of your goals or plan for better goals? Like, how does journaling play into your life? That something we've talked a lot about here. I'm just interested from a athletes perspective, how you handle that. Yeah, it's a great question and I recommend writing, journaling, note taking, however you know, tracking, however you want to label it. I recommend that to anyone, any teammates, any friends, young girls that I mentor actually mentoring this young girl right now and you know, we had one of our first sessions the other night and I brought her her own journal just to kind of get get going and get started in and I just think it's so important, and what I say to everyone is that that journal or that notebook, those pieces of paper, that's just that's for you to just reflect on anything and everything in your life, how you're feeling in any given moment, things you want to achieve, you know, Your Vision Board, your goals and dreams, in good or bad. You know, I write things like today was a terrible day. I felt awful and this is why, and being able to or, you know, today was fantastic. This is how I was feeling and being able to go back and reflect on those things. I think is really important to grow in any area that you want to grow in. So I think for me specifically in my training and especially right now in my pregnancy, you know, tracking and writing down little notes here or there about, you know, reps and sets and different things like that, but also how I'm feeling mentally and physically, to be able to, you know, just take great care of my body while I'm either training, you know, in the lead up to the Olympics, making sure I'm in peak shape when I get there. Or, you know, I'm training leading up to childbirth and I want to make sure that I'm taking care of myself and in the best position I can to go through that journey. So, certainly as an athlete, it's a huge part of my life. And then, you know, I do things just kicked off this two thousand and twenty with every night, before I go to bed, I write down, you know, three to five things and I'm grateful for in that day and I think just taking five to ten minutes to reflect on those things and remind myself how how lucky I am for so many great blessings in my life because, you know, liking it crazy, we're all busy, we all have never ending to do lists and a million things to worry about and jobs and family and relationships and all that. But at the end of the day, when I think about what I have in my life, I'm so lucky and reflecting on that, I think is really important. That's awesome. Thanks for that insight. I love that you are taking on that attitude of gratitude, if you will. And how what? What brought you to kind of that what made you want to do that? Yeah, that's such a good question and I don't know if I can pinpoint a specific time. I would say I started. I would say I started writing more when, you know, I was in college and on the national team and my goals and dreams were starting to become more of a reality from a hockey standpoint. And you know, there was a lot of emphasis within all the teams I was on, whether it's from our coaches or our general manager or, you know, our sport psychologist at the time, to kind of you know, they would say ink what you think, and I started, you know, taking notes and writing down different things that I either achieved...

...or different, you know, ways that I felt during training and and I liked it and it kind of just started developing from there. And really what I use all my notebooks for now is just a safe space for me to write whatever I want and not have to worry about sharing that with anyone if I don't want to. You know, it's kind of just for me. Like I said, it's a safe space to just share my thoughts and feelings on anything. I mean sometimes I even write my grocery list in there in my notebook, but I think just being able to write things down in in any way really helps me, and so I've kind of just taken in run with it. Well, I'm glad you kind of mentioned that you started this in college because, you know, you kind of had a pretty awesome plage of career playing at Wisconsin, winning multiple awards, specifically winning, you know, Best Women's hockey player in the country while at Wisconsin. What and also, by the way, playing for the national team. So during that time and college, what are some things that you remember learning as a young, professional, young hockey player that you have been able to pass along to, you know, younger girls that you've mentor that you've played with? I think, you know, when I think back to my college days, I was, I feel, so fortunate to have played at a place like Wisconsin and to have been a part of the incredible teams that I was a part of and be mentored by so many great coaches out there. Obviously, specifically, you know, Mark Johnson was a huge reason why I went to that school and learned a lot from him in my career just, you know, obviously one of the one of the best players you can want to emulate and learn from when you want to win a gold medal, thinking about how he was a leading scorer in than nine hundred eighty Olympics, miracle on ice and all of that. So who better to learn from when you want to win a gold medal than him? But I think just even from a leadership in a mentorship perspective, kind of the way that he led our team and carried himself and, you know, his humility and integrity and honesty. Those are things that I, you know, felt that I learned and was challenged in when I was at Wisconsin and really helped me, as I you know, continue to move move forward and was challenged in different ways in my leadership and my athletic career the national team. So thankful for those experiences and just the women I had the opportunity to be on teams with, you know, whether they're still playing or have gone on to do other incredible things, it was just a really great situation for me and learned a lot, grew a lot as a player and then I've been able to take a lot of that with me. I love that word humility because I think people see athletes, and I don't want to say Egos, because that has a negative connotation, but their big personalities, a lot of the star studded, big name personalities that we see playing football, playing basketball, but in every sport has that big name, those big personalities, those people who are somewhat larger than life. And to allow me to kind of pump you up a little bit, you obviously exhibited that and a Wisconsin you were a fantastic score led the country in points...

...but a couple years, you know, and then playing for the national team and leading them as scoring in the Olympics and scoring world championships and all these great accomplishments. What's the challenge of still finding that humility? Well, I mean clearly achieving fantastic success at the top level of your sport. I think it's just like you need everyone in hockey and in in life, and it's such a it's such a group effort and a team sport, and that's that's the best thing I the greatest thing I love about hockey is that as a team sport and at any given day, I mean there was countless times in my career in College of the National Team I had some of the worst days, worst performances, worst games or practices of my career and the team still succeeds and still wins, and I think that's the greatest part about being part of a team. And Yeah, you know I've been able to if you look at my resume, I've been able to win x amount of world championships or, as you mentioned, you know, Petty Kazmier Award winner in College. But it's not like I played all those games by myself, and I think that's the greatest part about hockey. There's no hockey player in the world that could be as great as they are without their teammates, without their coaches, without, you know, everyone that plays a part in that group. And I remember specifically being a part of teams at Wisconsin and obviously, you know, the skill level varies on the team and certain players get more playing time than others or things like that. I mean, that's just sports and that's life. But you know, most of the team's I've been a part of, you know, you truly realize everyone's peace and that puzzle, whether they're scoring all the goals or whether they're just, you know, had the greatest attitude in the world and they make you a better athlete and help you score more goals just because you appreciate and love who that teammate is so much. So I think you know you really are humbled, and I've had the opportunity to be humbled. But having, as I mentioned, so many great teammates and women that I've been on teams with, that really show you, you know, why teams work and why they don't. You know, I've had teams where we've had groups of players that are are selfish and aren't, you know, humble and, you know, get caught up in all the wrong stuff and then those teams don't have success. So I think, I think it's just all about, all about the group, and that's why I love hockey so much. I think that's why we all love team sports. Yeah, it's just nice to plant. It's great to have friends around you all the time, but then the ability to work together to achieve something that's even greater than anything you could imagine or do by yourself as fantastic. So you obviously had a great career at Wisconsin, had a pretty awesome career in your professional leagues. Have had a stellar career as an international player. But what is one piece of advice that you learned? Maybe earliest on in your hockey career at the one piece of advice you got that you have been able to see ring true throughout all those stops in your career and all those stages of your career. Well, that's a tough one. I would say, honestly, the best advice I ever got in my whole career and really why I feel like I've been able to be successful, is that, you know,...

I was I was told it was okay to just dream as big as I wanted and to set huge goals for myself, and I had family and friends and coaches and mentors that supported that all along the way, challenged me and it, but supported it. And you hear people now again in all industries. Oh is that you know, is that dream too big or I don't know if I can achieve that or or whatever, and I think for me I was just always encouraged to create the biggest dreams that I can and then, you know, just dare to go after it, and I just had that mentality and kept that mentality throughout my whole career. You know, I wanted to go to the Olympics from such a young age, so I needed to make the small steps in order to get to that point. You know, go play at a prep school and live away from home and then get a division one scholarship to the University of Wisconsin, make the national team, make the Olympic team. Those are dreams I just continue to set for myself and and go after them. And I had the support of, like I said, family and friends and mentors and and everyone along the way. So I would say, you know, everyone in my life that continue to encourage me to dream as big as I could. That's that's definitely the best advice I ever got. Now I have to ask a rather personal question, because your wife played on the Canadian hockey teams that beat you in two thousand and ten and two thousand and fourteen. Yep, if she was not on the team in two thousand and eighteen. So does she remind you that it's because she was not on the team that you were able to win or out of that go in the household? Oh my gosh, yeah, I mean it's we're certainly it's a it's a unique situation and people love to ask about it and you know, I'm happy to talk about it. I think. Yeah, she jokes every once in a while, you know, once, once I got my gold medal, I think it was easier for her to poke at me that she has three. But no, I mean we've as difficult as it can be to an imagine. You know, we we both have the utmost respect and have supported each other throughout our careers since we've, you know, known each other and been together. And one of the greatest things in in my life that she ever did was was wholeheartedly, you know, support me winning an Olympic gold medal in Peng Chang. You know, she was there on the ground. She flew over to be in Korea for about twenty four to thirty six hours and then flew back because she was in Grad school and was truly cheering for you know, in her heart for for for me to win that day and and that that was really special to me. So we obviously a lot of jokes in our family and a lot of family friend jokes surrounding the whole thing, but you know, ultimately at the end of the days it's you know, sports are so important to me. I would do anything for my team, but I think, you know, love trumps all in all of our lives are at least that's how I see it and it's been incredible that we've been able to kind of be on this journey somewhat together and understand each other and what we've been going through and I'm just super thankful for her support through everything. And Yeah, it was difficult at time, certainly after two thousand and fourteen, but I think you know we got through that. We were able to get through anything. That's right. I don't think a lot of couples have that back story where you can say I beat you in a gold medal game, but yet we're still together. I think we're bit of adversity people. I think you to share,...

...but that's kind of a good anecdote for couples who. This is again kind of moving away from the actual performance, but you know, a lot of couples in the modern world, which is a great thing that we now get to do, is we're we see people of all successes, but you know, we see a lot of people chasing their dreams while also and a relationship. And maybe it's not quite when a gold metal, but it's become CEO of this company or become partner at the firm. And I guess the question comes down to. You know, we see some people struggle to be able to support their spouse who are chasing these dreams, but how have you all been able to kind of put aside your selfish, you know, I want to win, but still be able to support the person who you love and joining and trying to achieve their dreams? What's been that that key that you guys have shared? Now, obviously both of you are transitioning away from being chasing a gold medal necessarily, but it's still this need to want to succeed and do better. How have you been able to support each other throughout that? Yeah, it's such a good question. I mean I think. I think we just value and respect and love each other and each other's passions and and commitment so much that it's a no brainer. I mean, I put she's the most important person in my life and we joke now that our son will be the most important person in our life and she'll to take a back seat, pretty Samim, but but no, she's the most important person in my life. So it's there's you know, there's no doubt in my mind I'm going to support whatever you know, she wants to achieve and I know she has huge goals and dreams for herself right now, you know, in her post hockey life, and and I'm here to help see those through. Would help he achieve them no matter what, and I think, you know, that's I think when you feel that way, that's when you know you found a true partner, and that's certainly something that I feel thankful for every single day and I feel really blessed that she feels the same way. And, like I said, you know, my biggest goal and dream in my life was to win a gold medal in the two thousand and Eighteen Olympics and regardless of conflict of interest or anything, you know, she was wholeheartedly there to see me achieve it and you know, doesn't get much better than that. So I think when you you know you love someone like that, you know, whether it's a spouse or family member or a friend, the world needs people supporting each other more, you know, in achieving their goals, and so I think that's just, you know, something that we put a lot of focus on. Well, of that, and that's really a such a special it's a special situation that you will have. I mean, we've seen, I'll use Zach and Julie Art's as an example, but they're obviously competing at different sports. They're not competing against each other like directly. So it's just a special case that you guys have and it is really cool to see. Yeah, thank you. So the last couple questions I have. I have to ask this as a gold medal winner. You've gone through this grinding tournament, you've gone through the toughest competition you've probably had to face in your entire life. You finally beat the you finally beat the the last boss in the video game. You know, you take down Kennedy. When a... medal, you get to stand up on that podium and here the national anthems. What is going through your heart, going through your head as you hear the naturally haven't play because you have a gold medal around your neck. Yeah, I mean you can't really describe that, that feeling or that little so glad it's on videotape somewhere because I feel like I was probably in a like blackout for part of it, but I do remember just you know, I remember standing next to emily falls or one on one side, and we were just kind of hugging and talking and just it felt like we were in a dreamland, you know, and singing the song and just so, so excited to be in that moment. You know, it's the accumulation of so much we had all worked for together and to be able to just know, take that that time, to just put our arms around each other and sing that song and celebrate together just so much pride and honor and couldn't wait to, you know, celebrate with our families after and friends and so many people had so much to do with that win and it was definitely a moment that I'll never forget and I enjoyed sharing with with all those people. Well, like you said, there's just so many people that I don't think people realize how much goes into one athlete accomplishing something like that, let alone a team at twenty three individuals coming together. It's a fantastic achievement. So, as an American, as a fan of sports in general, thank you for achieving that, because it was a great moment for me as well. Yeah. Thanks. The last question before we get out of here, and this is something I try to ask anyone who comes on this podcast, but at least of House on mission is to fill the world with leaders worth following. So I want to know from you. What is a leader worth following? Great question, I think. On leader worth following is is, again, someone that we, you know that I mentioned earlier, cares himself with humility and integrity, ines as honest and approachable and, you know, someone that builds up others around them, someone that engages with all their teammates or coworkers or everyone that they have the pleasure of of leading and really sees everything as a team effort. Well, again, thank you so much for being on here. I enjoy talking with you. Thanks for sharing your stories, thank for sharing your insights and for sharing just the wonderful wisdom you have about what it takes you a winner. Yeah, totally, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Thank you. Well, I got to say it was a real treat to be able to talk to a gold medal winner here on the leader cast podcast. I hope you enjoyed the interview and if you did, please make sure to give us a review. 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